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i have listened to two versions of 'they plan to leave' and i still
cannot make out the lyrics. would anyone have them handy, and maybe
post them here?

I-) ihor
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if you listen to my version on Ahmed Abdullah's Diaspora (Dispersions of the Spirit of Ra)

Traveling the Spaceways, I'm sure you would be able to make them out. If I have some time later on today I'll post them. They really are great lyrics, in the Sun Ra tradition, and folks should know them.

One Love

Ahmed Abdullah

In a message dated 8/11/11 9:41:02 AM, ihorsr@gmail.com writes:





i have listened to two versions of 'they plan to leave' and i still

cannot make out the lyrics.  would anyone have them handy, and maybe

post them here?



I-)  ihor





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I'm so glad you asked about this, ihor! 

Your question led me to a recording of the Arkestra's performance of December 1, 1981 that includes a remarkable declamation by Mr. Ra.  Here are the words that I hear in this 17-minute 'sermon':


They Plan to Leave (JG, JT voc)
 1981.12.01 prob. West Coast USA

They plan to leave this world one day in sundry ships to sail away

They plan to leave this world one day in sundry ships to sail away


They plan to go to somewhere there in splendid ships, armadas rare

They plan to go to somewhere there in splendid ships, armadas rare

To other planets in the sky without a friendly wave good bye

To other planets in the sky without a friendly wave good bye


They plan to leave the people here who won't believe the truth they hear

They plan to leave the people here who won't believe the truth they hear

They plan to leave this world forever seeking the kingdom of never-never


They plan to leave this world forever seeking the kingdom of never-never


Sun Ra's Declamation spoken over the repeated verses above:



They plan to leave this world one day in sundry ships to sail away


They plan to leave this world one day in sundry ships to sail away

Space shuttles passing through the skies

Sometimes why don't you wonder why?

Space shuttles blasting out into the sky

Sometimes don't you think you should begin to wonder why?



They plan to go somewhere there
In splendid ships armadas rare


Plan to go somewhere there, somewhere there in splendid armada space ships rare

To other planets in the sky

Without saying, without saying farewell, good bye 


They plan to go to other planes in the sky 

They're not gonna say farewell, not gonna say good bye till midnight while you're still asleep

They'll blast out into the deep sun time
While you sleep your sleep in the deep dark Babylonian night they'll take flight!


Deep dark Babylonian night

You sleep your sleep
You dream your dream
And you think that all of this frustration and miserableness that you call life is real but you are only sleeping


Deep dark Babylonian night



Can't you feel that what you call life is not, not real - it is not

This is not life

This dream you dream in this deep dark Babylonian night, this is not life
This is death disguised, disguised as life


You're sleeping in this deep dark Babylonian night and you dare to think this is life?

You're only dreaming and pretending

You're pretending that this frustration, this miserableness, this ridiculousness is life

How could you dare to call your existence life? 

Its not life, its death disguised 
Its not life, its death disguised

Can't you feel what I speak is real?  

You're dreaming - you've been dreaming a long time


Dreaming


I dare to step into your dream to disturb your slumber

I stepped into the dream but I am real


The dream will have to pay the way


I do not recognize the dream and the dream does not have to recognize me

What do I care about a dream?
A dream that you're dreaming in this deep dark Babylonian night


What do I care about these dreams?
They can't do you any good

They can't do me any good if they're not doing you any good



Confusion knocks upon your door
And the button becomes a nightmare

Who will push the button?

When will they push the button?

Fear grips your mind all the time

When will they push the button?

Who'll push the button?


Who's gonna push the button?

They plan to leave, a new thing's about to happen

A government of the people and for the people and by the people will be replaced
By a government of the leaders and for the leaders and by the leaders

A government of the leaders and for the leaders and by the leaders is on its way


They say that he will return one day

He - He will return and he will be the lord of lords and the king of kings
the lord of lords, the king of kings



What happened to the people?

What happened to the people?


The lord of lords, the king of kings

Its propagated that he will return
As the lord of lords, the king of kings

The king of kings and the lord of lords


What's gonna happen to the people?
What's gonna happen to the people?  when he returns?

When he returns as lord of lords and king of kings

And lord of lords and king of kings
No mention of the people


Are you a king?

Are you a lord?

A government of the leaders and for the leaders and by the leaders
By the lord of lords, the king of kings

Space shuttles blasting through the skies
I'll tell you a secret - they plan to put the White House on the moon

And the Kremlin on a satellite

Are you going to still sleep and stay earthbound? 
Chained to one planet?

Chained to one planet where the only way you can escape is to die?

You dare to say you're free? 

You dare to say you know liberty? 
You dare to speak of liberty

You dare to say you're free? 
You're free?  Free?! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Liberty?

Lay down in the dust, you bow down in the grave

Is that being free?
Is that liberty?

Lay down in the dust, bow down in the grave


You're nothing but a slave

A helpless earthbound slave speaking words like freedom and liberty


Then you lay down in the dust

You bow down in the grave 

Yes, you say you're free
You say you know liberty

If you're free, why do you lay down in the dust, bow down in the grave?

They plan to leave this place of death - this planet


The planets throw shadows
Their shadows cross and this planet is in this valley of the shadows

Its in this valley while the shadows of other planets cross

They cross in the cross... cross

Shadows crossing in the cross



Yea though I walk through the valley - the shadow of death

Yea though I walk through the valley and the shadow of death

That's what you say


The planets throw shadows across each other and this planet situates at that crucial point

You've got to move this planet to another place in the sun

You must move this planet
This planet is a spaceship

All you have to do is to move it
Move it over to another place in the sun

And destiny will change for everyone


(unintelligible) (13:06)

Why is astronauts in spaceships when you can take this whole spaceship Earth and move it
And everybody can go out and see the mysteries of the Omniverse - the Omniverse
What care I for the Universe?


I am the ambassador, the may-emperor of the Omniverse

The emperor bids you welcome


Sail to the heavens, to the Omniverse 
Use each universe for a stepping stone... a stepping stone
They plan to leave this world one day in sundry ships, splendid! 

Sail away


Shoulder to shoulder, and man to man

Fight as men should, march as men should
And fight against the common enemy of all humanity

Shoulder to shoulder, and man to man

March as men should  march as men should

Shoulder to shoulder, and man to man

March as men should  march as men should march as men should
And fight against the common enemy of all humanity  all humanity

Namely, namely the enemy DEATH

Shoulder to shoulder, and man to man


March as men should  march as men should

Be brave, don't be a slave  march as men should
And fight against the common enemy, the common enemy of all humanity

All humanity namely the enemy, the enemy, the enemy, the enemy DEATH


Shoulder to shoulder, and man to man

March as men should  march as men should
And fight against the one who steals your children, steals your mother, steals your father, steals your friends in the night, in the day, any old time


Steals them away

Fight against, fight against the enemy who one day will try to take YOU
March as men should  march as men should

Shoulder to shoulder, and man to man

March as men should  march as men should


And fight against the common enemy of all humanity, all humanity

Shoulder to shoulder, and man to man

March as men should  march as men should

And fight against the common enemy of all humanity

All humanity  namely, namely the enemy, the enemy of all humanity, the enemy DEATH!






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Fri, 2011-08-12 04:20 (Reply to #3)
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Great work John.
Thank you!
C

On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:59 PM, John Sudduth wrote:
> I'm so glad you asked about this, ihor!
>
> Your question led me to a recording of the Arkestra's performance of
> December 1, 1981 that includes a remarkable declamation by Mr. Ra.  Here are
> the words that I hear in this 17-minute 'sermon':
>
> They Plan to Leave (JG, JT voc)
1981.12.01 prob. West Coast USA
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bloody 'ell. I never realised there were that many words.
Thank you!


On 12 August 2011 13:16, Charles Blass <charles.blass@gmail.com> wrote:

Great work John.

Thank you!

C




On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:59 PM, John Sudduth <ahboo301@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm so glad you asked about this, ihor!

>

> Your question led me to a recording of the Arkestra's performance of

> December 1, 1981 that includes a remarkable declamation by Mr. Ra.  Here are

> the words that I hear in this 17-minute 'sermon':

>

> They Plan to Leave (JG, JT voc)
1981.12.01 prob. West Coast USA
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>bloody 'ell. I never realised there were that many words.

Hey Nick,
Ha HA!!  I don't think there usually IS so many!  I picked a doozy, eh?

Ahmed - I LOVE your Dispersions of Ra album and 'They Plan' is one of my favorite tracks.

"Imaginate the Possible..."  SO great!

I wish I lived close to NYC so I could visit Sista's and catch you guys in action.

Charles - Thanks!  It's a labor of love, man...

-john



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> I'm so glad you asked about this, ihor!
>
> Your question led me to a recording of the Arkestra's performance of
> December 1, 1981 that includes a remarkable declamation by Mr. Ra.
> Here are the words that I hear in this 17-minute 'sermon':

wow!!! thanks, john! that clears up a lot of the words that i had
been messing up on. what an amazing declamation! and, a wonderful
transcription by john - thank you!

I-) ihor
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>> December 1, 1981 that includes a remarkable declamation by Mr. Ra.

what i find most interesting about this is the words that are used -
not at all like any other work by sun ra? it impresses me as being
very different, like it was written by someone else altogether?

I-) ihor
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hi SATURN list,

First post here. Diggin' the vibe.

> what i find most interesting about this is the words that are used -
> not at all like any other work by sun ra? it impresses me as being
> very different, like it was written by someone else altogether?

hey ihor, indeed different from othe tracks, though from the recent
publication of Ra's poetry, it sounds fairly similar to some of his poems.
I'm thinking of Collected Works Vol 1: Immeasurable Equation (ed Adam
Abraham), and the texts collected in The Wisdom of Sun Ra: Sun Ra's
Polemical broadsheets and streetcorner leaflets (ed John Corbett).

His broadsheets make his dialects of religion more clear (the passage on the
"king of kings"), especially as it draws from the Nation of Islam / 5%
readings of the Testaments. As for the theme of offworld exodus, it
resonates everywhere in his poems --- I'm thinking of Tomorrow's Realm
(1972) among others --- though this particular chant seems to consolidate
both of these themes.

In short, I'd hazard this is definitely writ / channelled by Ra, as though
he interpreted others work, especially the Nation of Islam literature and
esoteric works on Kemet/Egypt, I don't think he ever performed the words of
others (besides obvious reinterpretations of jazz standards such as Fletcher
Henderson).

Any further info on this chant is certainly welcome.. it is quite
extraordinary... in fact I would dig a copy of the track for research (I
publish and write on Afrofuturism --- volume forthcoming and will post the
info soon here).

Blessing to you all /

best/

tobias

>>> December 1, 1981 that includes a remarkable declamation by Mr. Ra.
>

>
> I-) ihor
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Sat, 2011-08-13 14:25 (Reply to #9)
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it overlaps slightly with 'We Roam the Cosmos'
the content is not uncharacteristic
unique yes, but very Ra
CB

>> what i find most interesting about this is the words that are used -
>> not at all like any other work by sun ra?  it impresses me as being
>> very different, like it was written by someone else altogether?
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Hi Tobias,

Welcome!

You can listen to the track and/or download it here.  There is also a very interesting panel discussion w/John Corbett here.


Please, Oh Please send some publication info when you have it ready.  I'd also love to read some of what you've already made available.

Btw, after reading the texts you mention as well as Szwed's biography, my impression is that Ra influenced the Nation of Islam more so than he being influenced by their writings.  Though I'm not particularly well-versed in the Nation of Islam's history or teachings, I wonder if the similarity you find is due to Ra's influence.  Just a thought...


-john


On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 5:18 PM, . q / c . <quadrantcross@gmail.com> wrote:

hi SATURN list,



First post here. Diggin' the vibe.


> what i find most interesting about this is the words that are used -

> not at all like any other work by sun ra?  it impresses me as being

> very different, like it was written by someone else altogether?


hey ihor, indeed different from othe tracks, though from the recent

publication of Ra's poetry, it sounds fairly similar to some of his poems.

I'm thinking of Collected Works Vol 1: Immeasurable Equation (ed Adam

Abraham), and the texts collected in The Wisdom of Sun Ra: Sun Ra's

Polemical broadsheets and streetcorner leaflets (ed John Corbett).



His broadsheets make his dialects of religion more clear (the passage on the

"king of kings"), especially as it draws from the Nation of Islam / 5%

readings of the Testaments. As for the theme of offworld exodus, it

resonates everywhere in his poems --- I'm thinking of Tomorrow's Realm

(1972) among others --- though this particular chant seems to consolidate

both of these themes.



In short, I'd hazard this is definitely writ / channelled by Ra, as though

he interpreted others work, especially the Nation of Islam literature and

esoteric works on Kemet/Egypt, I don't think he ever performed the words of

others (besides obvious reinterpretations of jazz standards such as Fletcher

Henderson).



Any further info on this chant is certainly welcome.. it is quite

extraordinary... in fact I would dig a copy of the track for research (I

publish and write on Afrofuturism --- volume forthcoming and will post the

info soon here).



Blessing to you all /



best/



   tobias













>>> December 1, 1981 that includes a remarkable declamation by Mr. Ra.

>



>
> I-)  ihor

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Sat, 2011-08-13 22:00 (Reply to #11)
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Thanks John for the track!

> Btw, after reading the texts you mention as well as Szwed's biography, my
> impression is that Ra influenced the Nation of Islam more so than he being
> influenced by their writings.  Though I'm not particularly well-versed in the
> Nation of Islam's history or teachings, I wonder if the similarity you find is
> due to Ra's influence.  Just a thought...

Now that indeed is a thesis worthy of some research... !

I believe it is Szed who documents some of Ra's time in Chicago when he was
preaching on streetcorners alongside NOI members... however I think it's
more likely that Elijah Muhammed was influenced in the same historical
moment as Ra by the revival of black nationalism in regards to Kemet,
readings of the same source texts in black mysticism, etc. But I am very
curious to know more concerning Ra's Chicago era. The information is scant.

The path Ra chose, as it diverged from NOI, marks a political decision that
becomes more apparent in the '60s NYC scene, where Ra seems to carefully
negotiate both black and white militancies. He balances out the downtown
scene with the rising black nationalism of Afrocentricity (Amiri Baraka's
Harlem move and the founding of the Black Arts Movement) by putting to the
test his sound and vision of Afrofuturism as a means of blending both Harlem
and Alphabet City... indeed the scenes cut from _Space is the Place_ also
show a more inclusive Ra (he also takes back some white kids to Saturn).

Szed also mentions that Ra lived in a house provided by the Panthers during
his stay in California / Berkeley... a colleague of mine has dug up more on
this fascinating moment:

Kreiss, Daniel.  ³Appropriating the Master¹s Tools: Sun Ra, the Black
Panthers, and Black Consciousness, 1952-1973.²  Black Music Research
Journal, 28(1): 57-81, 2008.

http://www.stanford.edu/~dkreiss/Kreiss_AppFinalProofs.pdf

I'm on the road and will post more info about the upcoming volume when I
have the official details. It's been in the works for three years. There is
some new research material on Ra, as well as all kinds of takes on
Afrofuturism, with plenty on music and jazz.

For those interested I often blog all things Afrofuturism here... latest
post is on Paul D Miller's _Book of Ice_ which includes a conversation /
interview we had concerning Afrofuturism..

http://fugitive.quadrantcrossing.org/

best/

tobias.

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Tobias,
Thanks for your participation, discourse and resources - Much
appreciated around here!
Space, C

On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 6:59 AM, . q / c . wrote:
>
> Thanks John for the track!
>
>> Btw, after reading the texts you mention as well as Szwed's biography, my
>> impression is that Ra influenced the Nation of Islam more so than he being
>> influenced by their writings.  Though I'm not particularly well-versed in the
>> Nation of Islam's history or teachings, I wonder if the similarity you find is
>> due to Ra's influence.  Just a thought...
>
>
> Now that indeed is a thesis worthy of some research... !
>
> I believe it is Szed who documents some of Ra's time in Chicago when he was
> preaching on streetcorners alongside NOI members... however I think it's
> more likely that Elijah Muhammed was influenced in the same historical
> moment as Ra by the revival of black nationalism in regards to Kemet,
> readings of the same source texts in black mysticism, etc. But I am very
> curious to know more concerning Ra's Chicago era. The information is scant.
>
> The path Ra chose, as it diverged from NOI, marks a political decision that
> becomes more apparent in the '60s NYC scene, where Ra seems to carefully
> negotiate both black and white militancies. He balances out the downtown
> scene with the rising black nationalism of Afrocentricity (Amiri Baraka's
> Harlem move and the founding of the Black Arts Movement) by putting to the
> test his sound and vision of Afrofuturism as a means of blending both Harlem
> and Alphabet City... indeed the scenes cut from _Space is the Place_ also
> show a more inclusive Ra (he also takes back some white kids to Saturn).
>
> Szed also mentions that Ra lived in a house provided by the Panthers during
> his stay in California / Berkeley... a colleague of mine has dug up more on
> this fascinating moment:
>
> Kreiss, Daniel.  ³Appropriating the Master¹s Tools: Sun Ra, the Black
> Panthers, and Black Consciousness, 1952-1973.²  Black Music Research
> Journal, 28(1): 57-81, 2008.
>
> http://www.stanford.edu/~dkreiss/Kreiss_AppFinalProofs.pdf
>
> I'm on the road and will post more info about the upcoming volume when I
> have the official details. It's been in the works for three years. There is
> some new research material on Ra, as well as all kinds of takes on
> Afrofuturism, with plenty on music and jazz.
>
> For those interested I often blog all things Afrofuturism here... latest
> post is on Paul D Miller's _Book of Ice_ which includes a conversation /
> interview we had concerning Afrofuturism..
>
>    http://fugitive.quadrantcrossing.org/
>
> best/
>
>    tobias.
>
>
>
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indeed the scenes cut from _Space is the Place_ also show a more inclusive Ra

cut scenes?  are these posted anywhere?  Thanks for all this, exceedingly interesting, have hooked into those links and I'm looking forward to more :)



On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 12:59 AM, . q / c . <quadrantcross@gmail.com> wrote:



Thanks John for the track!



> Btw, after reading the texts you mention as well as Szwed's biography, my

> impression is that Ra influenced the Nation of Islam more so than he being

> influenced by their writings.  Though I'm not particularly well-versed in the

> Nation of Islam's history or teachings, I wonder if the similarity you find is

> due to Ra's influence.  Just a thought...




Now that indeed is a thesis worthy of some research... !



I believe it is Szed who documents some of Ra's time in Chicago when he was

preaching on streetcorners alongside NOI members... however I think it's

more likely that Elijah Muhammed was influenced in the same historical

moment as Ra by the revival of black nationalism in regards to Kemet,

readings of the same source texts in black mysticism, etc. But I am very

curious to know more concerning Ra's Chicago era. The information is scant.



The path Ra chose, as it diverged from NOI, marks a political decision that

becomes more apparent in the '60s NYC scene, where Ra seems to carefully

negotiate both black and white militancies. He balances out the downtown

scene with the rising black nationalism of Afrocentricity (Amiri Baraka's

Harlem move and the founding of the Black Arts Movement) by putting to the

test his sound and vision of Afrofuturism as a means of blending both Harlem

and Alphabet City... indeed the scenes cut from _Space is the Place_ also

show a more inclusive Ra (he also takes back some white kids to Saturn).



Szed also mentions that Ra lived in a house provided by the Panthers during

his stay in California / Berkeley... a colleague of mine has dug up more on

this fascinating moment:



Kreiss, Daniel.  ³Appropriating the Master¹s Tools: Sun Ra, the Black

Panthers, and Black Consciousness, 1952-1973.²  Black Music Research

Journal, 28(1): 57-81, 2008.



http://www.stanford.edu/~dkreiss/Kreiss_AppFinalProofs.pdf



I'm on the road and will post more info about the upcoming volume when I

have the official details. It's been in the works for three years. There is

some new research material on Ra, as well as all kinds of takes on

Afrofuturism, with plenty on music and jazz.



For those interested I often blog all things Afrofuturism here... latest

post is on Paul D Miller's _Book of Ice_ which includes a conversation /

interview we had concerning Afrofuturism..



   http://fugitive.quadrantcrossing.org/



best/



   tobias.







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>> indeed the scenes cut from _Space is the Place_ also show a more inclusive
>> Ra
>
>
> cut scenes? are these posted anywhere? Thanks for all this, exceedingly
> interesting, have hooked into those links and I'm looking forward to more :)

AFAIK these scenes aren't online --- at least not yet. They are mentioned in
the literature on the film (Szed and Nabeel Zuberi). Check out the
discussion here:

Sounds of the Future: Essays on Music in Science Fiction Film
Ed. Mathew J. Bartkowiak

http://www.amazon.com/Sounds-Future-Essays-Science-Fiction/dp/0786444800

excerpt:

http://bit.ly/norhLA

It's unfortunate that the "director's cut" DVD adds more of the
blaxploitation narrative [the pimp/ho storyline] but none of the more
"cosmopolitan" scenes [white inclusivity to post-earth exodus]. These kinds
of editing decisions give much food for thought, as well as Ra's comment
about the NAACP "will be after us" if the more inclusive scenes were
included.

If anyone here has access to the earlier edits / deleted footage, please let
me know... ;p

best/ tobias

>
> On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 12:59 AM, . q / c . wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks John for the track!
>>
>>> Btw, after reading the texts you mention as well as Szwed's biography, my
>>> impression is that Ra influenced the Nation of Islam more so than he
>> being
>>> influenced by their writings. Though I'm not particularly well-versed in
>> the
>>> Nation of Islam's history or teachings, I wonder if the similarity you
>> find is
>>> due to Ra's influence. Just a thought...
>>
>>
>> Now that indeed is a thesis worthy of some research... !
>>
>> I believe it is Szed who documents some of Ra's time in Chicago when he was
>> preaching on streetcorners alongside NOI members... however I think it's
>> more likely that Elijah Muhammed was influenced in the same historical
>> moment as Ra by the revival of black nationalism in regards to Kemet,
>> readings of the same source texts in black mysticism, etc. But I am very
>> curious to know more concerning Ra's Chicago era. The information is scant.
>>
>> The path Ra chose, as it diverged from NOI, marks a political decision that
>> becomes more apparent in the '60s NYC scene, where Ra seems to carefully
>> negotiate both black and white militancies. He balances out the downtown
>> scene with the rising black nationalism of Afrocentricity (Amiri Baraka's
>> Harlem move and the founding of the Black Arts Movement) by putting to the
>> test his sound and vision of Afrofuturism as a means of blending both
>> Harlem
>> and Alphabet City... indeed the scenes cut from _Space is the Place_ also
>> show a more inclusive Ra (he also takes back some white kids to Saturn).
>>
>> Szed also mentions that Ra lived in a house provided by the Panthers during
>> his stay in California / Berkeley... a colleague of mine has dug up more on
>> this fascinating moment:
>>
>> Kreiss, Daniel. ³Appropriating the Master¹s Tools: Sun Ra, the Black
>> Panthers, and Black Consciousness, 1952-1973.² Black Music Research
>> Journal, 28(1): 57-81, 2008.
>>
>> http://www.stanford.edu/~dkreiss/Kreiss_AppFinalProofs.pdf
>>
>> I'm on the road and will post more info about the upcoming volume when I
>> have the official details. It's been in the works for three years. There is
>> some new research material on Ra, as well as all kinds of takes on
>> Afrofuturism, with plenty on music and jazz.
>>
>> For those interested I often blog all things Afrofuturism here... latest
>> post is on Paul D Miller's _Book of Ice_ which includes a conversation /
>> interview we had concerning Afrofuturism..
>>
>> http://fugitive.quadrantcrossing.org/
>>
>> best/
>>
>> tobias.
>>
>>
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Does anyone know if the VHS edition (released in '95, I think) also includes the scenes added to 'the director's cut'?  I have the DVD and am not really interested in tracking down the VHS if it is the same.


-john


On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 4:05 PM, . q / c . <quadrantcross@gmail.com> wrote:



>> indeed the scenes cut from _Space is the Place_ also show a more inclusive

>> Ra

>

>

> cut scenes?  are these posted anywhere?  Thanks for all this, exceedingly

> interesting, have hooked into those links and I'm looking forward to more :)




AFAIK these scenes aren't online --- at least not yet. They are mentioned in

the literature on the film (Szed and Nabeel Zuberi). Check out the

discussion here:



Sounds of the Future: Essays on Music in Science Fiction Film

Ed. Mathew J. Bartkowiak



http://www.amazon.com/Sounds-Future-Essays-Science-Fiction/dp/0786444800



excerpt:



http://bit.ly/norhLA



It's unfortunate that the "director's cut" DVD adds more of the

blaxploitation narrative [the pimp/ho storyline] but none of the more

"cosmopolitan" scenes [white inclusivity to post-earth exodus]. These kinds

of editing decisions give much food for thought, as well as Ra's comment

about the NAACP "will be after us" if the more inclusive scenes were

included.



If anyone here has access to the earlier edits / deleted footage, please let

me know... ;p





best/ tobias





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one way to find out: http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5093409 claims to be a rip of the VHS


On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 8:37 AM, John Sudduth <ahboo301@gmail.com> wrote:

Does anyone know if the VHS edition (released in '95, I think) also includes the scenes added to 'the director's cut'?  I have the DVD and am not really interested in tracking down the VHS if it is the same.



-john



On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 4:05 PM, . q / c . <quadrantcross@gmail.com> wrote:


>> indeed the scenes cut from _Space is the Place_ also show a more inclusive

>> Ra

>

>

> cut scenes?  are these posted anywhere?  Thanks for all this, exceedingly

> interesting, have hooked into those links and I'm looking forward to more :)




AFAIK these scenes aren't online --- at least not yet. They are mentioned in

the literature on the film (Szed and Nabeel Zuberi). Check out the

discussion here:



Sounds of the Future: Essays on Music in Science Fiction Film

Ed. Mathew J. Bartkowiak



http://www.amazon.com/Sounds-Future-Essays-Science-Fiction/dp/0786444800



excerpt:



http://bit.ly/norhLA



It's unfortunate that the "director's cut" DVD adds more of the

blaxploitation narrative [the pimp/ho storyline] but none of the more

"cosmopolitan" scenes [white inclusivity to post-earth exodus]. These kinds

of editing decisions give much food for thought, as well as Ra's comment

about the NAACP "will be after us" if the more inclusive scenes were

included.



If anyone here has access to the earlier edits / deleted footage, please let

me know... ;p





best/ tobias






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John,

I just sent a reply about this, but to be more specific: the earlier
VHS version omits the nurses/prostitutes, along with a pool
hustler/addict. I'm thinking the job interviews at the employment
agency might have additional footage in the newer edition (on DVD).
But to be honest it's been a while since I've watched either version.

Joe

On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 8:37 AM, John Sudduth wrote:
> Does anyone know if the VHS edition (released in '95, I think) also includes
> the scenes added to 'the director's cut'?  I have the DVD and am not really
> interested in tracking down the VHS if it is the same.
>
> -john
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Thanks folks!

Guess I should be on the look out for the '93 version.  I appreciate all of the responses!

-john


On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Joe Castleman <a.hominid@gyrofrog.com> wrote:

John,



I just sent a reply about this, but to be more specific: the earlier

VHS version omits the nurses/prostitutes, along with a pool

hustler/addict.  I'm thinking the job interviews at the employment

agency might have additional footage in the newer edition (on DVD).

But to be honest it's been a while since I've watched either version.



Joe




On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 8:37 AM, John Sudduth <ahboo301@gmail.com> wrote:

> Does anyone know if the VHS edition (released in '95, I think) also includes

> the scenes added to 'the director's cut'?  I have the DVD and am not really

> interested in tracking down the VHS if it is the same.

>

> -john
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