Re: 10/29/04 arkestra show - personnel

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#1 Wed, 2004-11-03 03:20
Todd Tamanend Clark
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Re: 10/29/04 arkestra show - personnel

The most important instrument in the Arkestra was Sun Ra's keyboards.

How can they even begin to play his music with no keyboard player?


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----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Davis" musicmargaret@earthlink.net To: SATURN@NIC.SURFNET.NL Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 3:44 AM Subject: Re: 10/29/04 arkestra show - personnel

Hey, Chris, I don't know if I can name absolutely all the Arkestra members in the Halloween Haunt of 'O4, but here are many of them:

Maestro Marshall Allen, conductor, composer, alto saxophone and EVI Fred Adams, trumpet Luqman Ali, drums Bill Davis and John Ore, acoustic basses Charles Davis, tenor saxophone Dave Davis, trombone and tuba Tyrone Hill, trombone Art Jenkins, vocals Dave Middleton (or Dave Hotep?), guitar Michael Ray, trumpet Elson Nascimento dos Santos, surdo, percussion Rey Scott, baritone saxophone, flute Thaddeus Thomas, percussion Danny Ray "Pico" Thompson, flute.

There was also another percussionist I didn't recognize and can't name.

Many of the Arkestra members also played percussion and/ or sang.

I didn't see regulars Yahya Majid or Knoel Scott there this time.

I think someone else posted the statement that the Arkestra numbered 19 at the concert, and that's only 15, so I apologize to anyone I forgot!

About James Spaulding, I think recently he has been playing Sun Ra music mostly in a band that is not the Sun Ra Arkestra.

Fri, 2004-11-05 14:00
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Re: 10/29/04 arkestra show - personnel

Quoting Todd Tamanend Clark tamanend@westol.com:

The most important instrument in the Arkestra was Sun Ra's keyboards.

How can they even begin to play his music with no keyboard player?

At last year's Halloween show I saw thw Arkestra for the first time since Sun Ra departed. It was such an amazing show, and I had such a great time that I went back again this year, travelling several thousand miles for each show.

I have to admit I was a little worried before last year's show that it would feel like a retrospective, or 'best of Sun Ra' sort of show. The real delight was feeling the energy of the band as such a present and vital force, not at all like just trying to keep something going for nostalgia's sake.

Make no mistake, if you ever saw Ra, there is a HUGE voice missing from the shows. But I cannot imagne how you could possibly replace such a unique and idiosyncratic voice as Sun Ra's, even with the likes of Cecil Taylor. The texture of the synthesizer and piano is missing, and the guitar and EVI really just don't fill that space, nor do I think the band really expect it too. But the spirit of the shows is everything you would expect from Ra.

But if Cecil Taylor (or some unknown upstart genius teenager, for that matter) were to sit in with the band I would think the only way it would work would be if they brought teir own voice to the spirit of this music. Even if someone coud somehow 'duplicate' Sun Ra's playing technique, I think it would tend to fall flat.

For my part, I'm just as delighted with the 2 show's I've seen post Ra, as with the two I saw before. And there's really nothing like sitting three feet in front of Marshal and looking into his eyes while he plays. I'm just glad we still have this music, and hope it never gets to feel like a re-creation of some former glory.

Wed, 2004-11-03 05:23
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Re: 10/29/04 arkestra show - personnel

huh?

foolish / dismissive to overlook sooooooooo many great players with a statement like this.

Wed, 2004-11-03 05:43 (Reply to #3)
Todd Tamanend Clark
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----- Original Message ----- From: "clint simonson" destijl@mindspring.com To: SATURN@NIC.SURFNET.NL Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 7:23 AM Subject: Re: 10/29/04 arkestra show - personnel

Todd Tamanend Clark wrote:

The most important instrument in the Arkestra was Sun Ra's keyboards.

How can they even begin to play his music with no keyboard player?

huh? foolish / dismissive to overlook sooooooooo many great players with a statement like this.

I fully acknowledge and appreciate the many fine musicians who played in the Arkestra over the decades and who were a great boon to Sun Ra's mission, both musically and conceptually.

But these are the basics of my reasoning:

  1. Sun Ra was a brilliant keyboard player.

  2. Sun Ra was the leader of the band.

  3. Sun Ra was the composer of the music.

  4. The music was centered on innovative keyboard playing.

  5. With no keyboards, the central feature of the music is missing.

  6. Without its center, the music is no longer itself.


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Wed, 2004-11-03 06:45 (Reply to #4)
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Re: 10/29/04 arkestra show - personnel

I respectfully disagree with your comments. Although Sun Ra is no longer with us on this planet, he has left behind many disciples of his music, Marshall Allen being the most obvious. The Arkestra still sounded great this past weekend. For instance, they played a fantastic version of "Face The Music" that I am still humming to myself. They are still capable of greatness. Marshall's own compositions, as well as his continued standout playing, keeps the music is alive. It is still of the same spirit as when Sun Ra was with us.

We all miss Sun Ra, there is no doubt. We should cherish the fact that the Arkestra is still going strong.

Wed, 2004-11-03 07:11 (Reply to #5)
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Re: 10/29/04 arkestra show - personnel

----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Antonelli" Steve_Antonelli@mykrolis.com To: SATURN@NIC.SURFNET.NL Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 8:45 AM Subject: Re: 10/29/04 arkestra show - personnel

We all miss Sun Ra, there is no doubt. We should cherish the fact that the Arkestra is still going strong.

I'm all for The Arkestra continuing.

They just need to include a keyboard player.


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Wed, 2004-11-03 15:30 (Reply to #6)
Margaret Grimes
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Re: 10/29/04 arkestra show - personnel

Of course Sun Ra was far more than just "a keyboard player," but if you know someone who could possibly take his place, I'd love to know who that is. I think (and probably the unusual suspects will jump all over me again because I can't cite chapter and verse) some sorts of attempts were made to recruit Cecil Taylor in the past, but that didn't happen.

Thu, 2004-11-04 04:24 (Reply to #7)
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Re: 10/29/04 arkestra show - personnel

Of course Sun Ra was far more than just "a keyboard player,"

ive always wondered if Sun Ra played the clarinet or the clavinet on 'My Brother the Wind Vol 2' since Ive seen cl in the the instrument list.... since i could only pick out one organ and one moog on that album.....

unless Ra was blowing a clarinet through a microphone, and the mike was plugged into a minimoog with a schmidt trigger dongle so Ra could fiddle with the filter controls.. in a murky moment <that's been my sole wacky speculation about anything Ra in my life, but I'll accept typists error too>

Was there a clavinet on the album too? Heck someone must know every instrument played on that album and any errors in instrument lists if I recall it was the cl for clarinet in the omniverse, not clavinet

Hell I still am surprised at musicians who once in a blue moon play get bold and something else, like Coltrane doing the flute or mingus doing the piano