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#1 Tue, 2011-09-20 09:46
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Those Atonites

Ihor and John,

"Atonites" obviously means worshippers of Aton (a sun god). Sunny also used "Akhnaton" (and variants) as a composition title.

It probably also means performers of atonal music.

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Tue, 2011-09-20 10:05
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Those Atonites

I like the idea of the double reference - I hadn't thought of 'atonal music'...

Thanks!


On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Robert L Campbell <campber@clemson.edu> wrote:

Ihor and John,



"Atonites" obviously means worshippers of Aton (a sun god).  Sunny also used "Akhnaton" (and variants) as a composition title.



It probably also means performers of atonal music.



Robert Campbell



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Tue, 2011-09-20 12:55
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Those Atonites

> Ihor and John,
>
> "Atonites" obviously means worshippers of Aton (a sun god). Sunny also used
> "Akhnaton" (and variants) as a composition title.

Akhnaton may also be a reference / different spelling of Akhenaten, an
ancient Kemet / Egyptian pharoah (and philosopher) who changed the Waset
spiritual practices of worshipping Amen-Ra to that of Aten, a god lacking
the rich mythology of Amen-Ra, as well as lacking in temples and cults (Aten
was to become, some say, the origin of the Greek goddess Athena). Aten means
"disc" and is a common god of the Old Kingdom; thus it can also be
interpreted as =worship if the sun god (Ra) though through a new means that
rejects the previous centuries of Ra's dynastic caste and the power of his
clerics.

Akhnenaten married Nefertiti, and was son of Amenhotep III. His changes were
reversed under subsequent pharoahs who appeared to have obliterated the
temples constructed at Waset and Karnak.

Akhenaten means "effective for the (sun) disc," perhaps better translated as
"the one who enacts the sun god." His name was changed from that of his
father's dynasty, Amenhotep, which means "Amen is satisfied," or "Amen's
pleasure." So a significant shift from Amen-Ra to Aten takes place, from the
cult of Amen-Ra's mythologies and its hereditary dynasties to a more
abstract (as the disc) yet common chief god, Aten.

Some references here from Molefi Asante's Africentric work, so take that
with a grain of salt.

The question is, how did SUN RA interpret Akhnaton / Akhenaten?

best/

tobias.

>
> It probably also means performers of atonal music.
>
> Robert Campbell
>
> Robert L Campbell
> Professor, Psychology
> Editor, New Ideas in Psychology
> Webmaster, Red Saunders Research Foundation
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Tue, 2011-09-20 13:45 (Reply to #3)
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Those Atonites

Tobias,

Right, Akhenaten (Amenhotep IV before he changed his religion and his name) was the 18th Dynasty Pharaoh who tried to replace the religion of the anthropomorphized Amen-Ra with the worship of Aten, the solar disk.

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Those Atonites

hey, thanks Robert.

> I figure Sunny and Alton Abraham picked the Aton spelling for a reason.
>
> What they thought about Ra vs. Aton as (rival?) solar deities, I don't know.

These are worthy questions. The more I hunt down the esoteric and occult
texts known to be in Sun Ra's library, the more such use of names ought to
be taken into context alongside his dialectical interpretations of ancient
texts (the reversal of most polarities of good and evil, as well as
linguistic plays based upon homophony and numerological systems, very much
like the Nation of Islam's hermeneutics).

> I rather doubt there's any connection between Aten and Athena.

That's interesting; I have no real knowledge here, but I wouldn't be
surprised if Asante's more speculative claims are on shaky grounds
(unfortunately).

This would suggest that the linguistic relation between Aten/Athena appears
to be only the product of translation into English.

So... Atonites... as followers of a rival-but-same god, the sun-disc god,
the abstract god of the symbolic circle, who are they in relation to Sun Ra?

Most interesting, this hint.

best/

tobias

One reason is
> that the new religion of Aten was unpopular (not just ill-received by the
> priests of Amen-Ra and their highly-placed friends; the ordinary folks seem to
> have resented the king's efforts to force his new religion on them). The
> reaction against Akhenaten was so strong that within a few years after his
> death his name was being chiseled off monuments and, when he was mentioned in
> inscriptions at all, he was called "that criminal" and other curses. How many
> Ancient Greeks, even among those resident in Egypt, could have heard of Aten?
>
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