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#1 Fri, 2011-02-11 11:54
lee santa
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I need help identifying musicians



I just uploaded 3 photos of Sunny Murray & group when they played at Ali's Alley, New York City,1976. I need help identifying the other musicians: vibes, alto sax & bass. If you have any info please contact me.The photos can be seen here: http://lee-santa.artistwebsites.com/art/all/jazz+musicians/all

Fri, 2011-02-18 16:35
Ken Waxman 2
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I need help identifying musicians


Lee:

Strangely enough the saxophonist looks like David Murray. I think he would have been in NYC at that time, and he can play alto. (Can't really see the bass player)

Ken Waxman
 

Ken Waxman
mingusaum@yahoo.ca
www.jazzword.com - Jazz/improv news, CD reviews and photos






From: lee santa <lfsanta@yahoo.com>
To: Sun Ra <saturn@outerspaceways.info>
style="font-weight: bold;">Cc: bright-moments <bright-moments@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, February 11, 2011 2:54:05 PM
Subject: [ Saturn ] I need help identifying musicians


I just uploaded 3 photos of Sunny Murray & group when they played at Ali's Alley, New York City,1976. I need help identifying the other musicians: vibes, alto sax & bass. If you have any info please contact me.The photos can be seen here: http://lee-santa.artistwebsites.com/art/all/jazz+musicians/all


Fri, 2011-02-18 16:35 (Reply to #2)
Sean Westergaard
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I need help identifying musicians


I didn't think shot 1 or 3 really looked like David Murray but maybe 2 does.  I don't think I've ever seen him without a mustache (or that skinny)

 

I think the vibes player might be Khan Jamal.

 

sean

 

From: saturn-bounces@lists.outerspaceways.info [mailto:saturn-bounces@lists.outerspaceways.info] On Behalf Of Ken Waxman
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 3:04 PM
To: saturn@outerspaceways.info
Subject: Re: [ Saturn ] I need help identifying musicians

 

Lee:

Strangely enough the saxophonist looks like David Murray. I think he would have been in NYC at that time, and he can play alto. (Can't really see the bass player)

Ken Waxman

 

Ken Waxman
mingusaum@yahoo.ca
www.jazzword.com - Jazz/improv news, CD reviews and photos

 

 



From: lee santa <lfsanta@yahoo.com>
To: Sun Ra <saturn@outerspaceways.info>
Cc: bright-moments <bright-moments@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, February 11, 2011 2:54:05 PM
Subject: [ Saturn ] I need help identifying musicians

I just uploaded 3 photos of Sunny Murray & group when they played at Ali's Alley, New York City,1976. I need help identifying the other musicians: vibes, alto sax & bass. If you have any info please contact me.The photos can be seen here: http://lee-santa.artistwebsites.com/art/all/jazz+musicians/all

 

Fri, 2011-02-18 16:35 (Reply to #3)
lenni b
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I need help identifying musicians

Possibly Oliver Lake on sax and Bob reid on bass.
Do agree that vibe player could be Khan Jamal





-----Original Message-----

From: Sean Westergaard <Sean.Westergaard@rovicorp.com>

To: saturn <saturn@outerspaceways.info>

Sent: Fri, Feb 11, 2011 3:14 pm

Subject: Re: [ Saturn ] I need help identifying musicians


I didn't think shot 1 or 3 really looked like David Murray but maybe 2 does.  I don't think I've ever seen him without a mustache (or that skinny)
 
I think the vibes player might be Khan Jamal.
 
sean
 
From: saturn-bounces@lists.outerspaceways.info [mailto:saturn-bounces@lists.outerspaceways.info] On Behalf Of Ken Waxman

Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 3:04 PM

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Subject: Re: [ Saturn ] I need help identifying musicians
 
Lee:



Strangely enough the saxophonist looks like David Murray. I think he would have been in NYC at that time, and he can play alto. (Can't really see the bass player)



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Subject: [ Saturn ] I need help identifying musicians
I just uploaded 3 photos of Sunny Murray & group when they played at Ali's Alley, New York City,1976. I need help identifying the other musicians: vibes, alto sax & bass. If you have any info please contact me.The photos can be seen here: http://lee-santa.artistwebsites.com/art/all/jazz+musicians/all
 

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Fri, 2011-02-18 16:35 (Reply to #4)
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looks like carlos ward on sax...

cb

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On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 9:42 PM, <lennibukowski@aol.com> wrote:

Possibly Oliver Lake on sax and Bob reid on bass.
Do agree that vibe player could be Khan Jamal





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I didn't think shot 1 or 3 really looked like David Murray but maybe 2 does.  I don't think I've ever seen him without a mustache (or that skinny)
 
I think the vibes player might be Khan Jamal.
 
sean
 
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Lee:



Strangely enough the saxophonist looks like David Murray. I think he would have been in NYC at that time, and he can play alto. (Can't really see the bass player)



Ken Waxman
 
Ken Waxman

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Subject: [ Saturn ] I need help identifying musicians

I just uploaded 3 photos of Sunny Murray & group when they played at Ali's Alley, New York City,1976. I need help identifying the other musicians: vibes, alto sax & bass. If you have any info please contact me.The photos can be seen here: http://lee-santa.artistwebsites.com/art/all/jazz+musicians/all
 
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Fri, 2011-02-18 16:35 (Reply to #5)
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It could be that the alto player is Carlos Ward but I wouldn't swear on a holy stack 'o' bibles that it is. Khan Jamal was certainly the vibes player who played a lot with Sunny at the time so it would make sense.



ck


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Possibly Oliver Lake on sax and Bob reid on bass.
Do agree that vibe player could be Khan Jamal





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I didn't think shot 1 or 3 really looked like David Murray but maybe 2 does.  I don't think I've ever seen him without a mustache (or that skinny)
 
I think the vibes player might be Khan Jamal.
 
sean
 
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Lee:



Strangely enough the saxophonist looks like David Murray. I think he would have been in NYC at that time, and he can play alto. (Can't really see the bass player)



Ken Waxman
 
Ken Waxman

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www.jazzword.com - Jazz/improv news, CD reviews and photos
 
 


From: lee santa <lfsanta@yahoo.com>

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Sent: Fri, February 11, 2011 2:54:05 PM

Subject: [ Saturn ] I need help identifying musicians
I just uploaded 3 photos of Sunny Murray & group when they played at Ali's Alley, New York City,1976. I need help identifying the other musicians: vibes, alto sax & bass. If you have any info please contact me.The photos can be seen here: http://lee-santa.artistwebsites.com/art/all/jazz+musicians/all
 
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Dear Lee,

 

Maybe Patricia
Ali (Rashied's widow) has written records / flyers / concert programs from Ali's
Alley in 1976 (though I don't think he was married to her at that
time, the materials may be in archives with her). 
color=#000080 face="Palatino Linotype">Henry and I both think the alto
player looks like David Murray, though why he would have been playing
alto is a bit of a mystery face="Palatino Linotype">.  The alto player could also be Byard Lancaster
 or conceivably Makanda
Ken McIntyre,
and the
bassist could be Fred Hopkins, and the vibes player would be Khan Jamal, simply
because Sunny Murray was working with those musicians in New York that
year.  Off-list I'll send you some contacts to those still with us so you
can check with them directly.

Sat, 2011-02-19 17:13
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I know someone who might have

I know someone who might have been there. I'll ask him to take a look.

Sat, 2011-02-19 17:11
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I have 2 different live performaces of Sunny's groups from that era in my archive.

I'll go with Byard Lancaster, Khan Jamal and Bob Reid. But I'll agree that the alto player looks just like Carlos Ward.

 

 

Sunny Murray -  Untouchable Factor
LaMamma Cultural Center
NY
5/29/1976
1CD

Sunny Murray
Byard Lancaster
Bob Reid
Khan Jamal
Chico Freeman

 

Sunny Murray - Untouchable Factor
Ali's Alley
NY, NY
12/24/1976
2CD
sbd/fm

Sonny Murray
Byard Lancaster?
Khan Jamal
Dave Burrell?
Bob Reid?

Tue, 2011-02-22 12:21
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David Murray and Khan Jamal identified

From my friend who was there for some of those shows at Ali's Alley (he did the cover photography for Sunny's Charred Earth lp):

 

"That's David Murray on Sax and Khan Jamal in the Sunny M. photos."

 

me "are you sure"

 

"Absolutely. No guess on bass. Could be Hopkins."

Wed, 2011-03-02 12:45 (Reply to #10)
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David Murray and Khan Jamal identified



Many thanks to all who responded to my request for the names of the others in my Sunny Murray photos. I'm going with David Murray on alto & Khan Jamal on vibes. Thanks again everyone.

 
Lee
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From: "carville1@juno.com" <carville1@juno.com>
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Sent: Tue, February 22, 2011 12:21:48 PM
Subject: [ Saturn ] David Murray and Khan Jamal identified

From my friend who was there for some of those shows at Ali's Alley (he did
the cover photography for Sunny's Charred Earth lp):

 

"That's David Murray on Sax and Khan Jamal in the Sunny M. photos."

 

me "are you sure"

 

"Absolutely. No guess on bass. Could be Hopkins."


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