Urban musical archeology (momentarily off Sun Ra topic)

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#1 Wed, 2012-09-26 16:41
Margaret Grimes
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Urban musical archeology (momentarily off Sun Ra topic)


About the "old signboard in the attic or the basement advertising Sunny's gig at the Grand Terrace," does anyone know anything about the other person advertised on the signboard, Dorres [?] Burrage?  Drummer Ronnie Burrage is interested.  I forwarded him a copy of the signboard photo, and he replied, "Thank you, I will have to look into this.  My family in Chicago played, but I only knew about the Sanders side.  My grandmother's brother, father, uncles?"   About Ronnie, he has played music with Richard Davis, John Hicks, Andrew Hill, Jackie McLean, David Murray, Jaco Pastorius, Sonny Rollins, Woody Shaw, McCoy Tyner, Reggie Workman, et al.  Ronnie teaches at Penn State and can be reached at rodrummusic@gmail.com.

 

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Robert L. Campbell at campber@clemson.edu wrote:

 

... The owner, David Meyers, recently found an old signboard in the attic or the basement, advertising Sunny's gig at the Grand Terrace.

 

Wed, 2012-09-26 23:41
nou.dadoun
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Urban musical archeology (momentarily off Sun Ra topic)

Don't know if this was noted before but I found a reference to related info here: 
http://1001chicago.com/after-sunset/ 




On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Margaret Davis Grimes <musicmargaret@earthlink.net> wrote:

About the "old signboard in the attic or the basement advertising Sunny's gig at the Grand Terrace," does anyone know anything about the other person advertised on the signboard, Dorres [?] Burrage?  Drummer Ronnie Burrage is interested.  I forwarded him a copy of the signboard photo, and he replied, "Thank you, I will have to look into this.  My family in Chicago played, but I only knew about the Sanders side.  My grandmother's brother, father, uncles?"   About Ronnie, he has played music with Richard Davis, John Hicks, Andrew Hill, Jackie McLean, David Murray, Jaco Pastorius, Sonny Rollins, Woody Shaw, McCoy Tyner, Reggie Workman, et al.  Ronnie teaches at Penn State and can be reached at rodrummusic@gmail.com.

 

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Robert L. Campbell at campber@clemson.edu wrote:

 

... The owner, David Meyers, recently found an old signboard in the attic or the basement, advertising Sunny's gig at the Grand Terrace.

 


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Wed, 2012-09-26 23:41 (Reply to #2)
nou.dadoun
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Urban musical archeology (momentarily off Sun Ra topic)

That links leads to another photo of the same sign http://therestaurantproject.wordpress.com/2012/05/24/the-sunset/vluu-l310-w-samsung-l310-w-131/   and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunset_Cafe indicates that the Grand Terrace closed in 1950 which would make this very early Ra indeed!  .. N


On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Nou Dadoun <nou.dadoun@gmail.com> wrote:

Don't know if this was noted before but I found a reference to related info here:  http://1001chicago.com/after-sunset/ 



On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Margaret Davis Grimes <musicmargaret@earthlink.net> wrote:

About the "old signboard in the attic or the basement advertising Sunny's gig at the Grand Terrace," does anyone know anything about the other person advertised on the signboard, Dorres [?] Burrage?  Drummer Ronnie Burrage is interested.  I forwarded him a copy of the signboard photo, and he replied, "Thank you, I will have to look into this.  My family in Chicago played, but I only knew about the Sanders side.  My grandmother's brother, father, uncles?"   About Ronnie, he has played music with Richard Davis, John Hicks, Andrew Hill, Jackie McLean, David Murray, Jaco Pastorius, Sonny Rollins, Woody Shaw, McCoy Tyner, Reggie Workman, et al.  Ronnie teaches at Penn State and can be reached at rodrummusic@gmail.com.

 

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... The owner, David Meyers, recently found an old signboard in the attic or the basement, advertising Sunny's gig at the Grand Terrace.

 


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Nou,

In the photo you linked to, the signboard has been set up in front of the largest surviving part of the mural.  Which enables us to see the "Mambo Night" at the bottom.

The Wikipedia article, like many of its offerings on music history, needs correcting.  The Grand Terrace closed and reopened many times.  The Fall 1955 show, which was advertised in the Chicago Defender, was the third that year, there were two attempts to mount shows at the club in 1956, and the last gasp was in the fall of 1957.  The Terrace's final closure came just a few months before the Club DeLisa went out of business.

Robert Campbell


On Sep 26, 2012, at 9:12 PM, Nou Dadoun <nou.dadoun@gmail.com> wrote:



That links leads to another photo of the same sign http://therestaurantproject.wordpress.com/2012/05/24/the-sunset/vluu-l310-w-samsung-l310-w-131/   and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunset_Cafe indicates that the Grand Terrace closed in 1950 which would make this very early Ra indeed!  .. N


On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Nou Dadoun <nou.dadoun@gmail.com> wrote:

Don't know if this was noted before but I found a reference to related info here:  http://1001chicago.com/after-sunset/ 



On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Margaret Davis Grimes <musicmargaret@earthlink.net> wrote:

About the "old signboard in the attic or the basement advertising Sunny's gig at the Grand Terrace," does anyone know anything about the other person advertised on the signboard, Dorres [?] Burrage?  Drummer Ronnie Burrage is interested.  I forwarded him a copy of the signboard photo, and he replied, "Thank you, I will have to look into this.  My family in Chicago played, but I only knew about the Sanders side.  My grandmother's brother, father, uncles?"   About Ronnie, he has played music with Richard Davis, John Hicks, Andrew Hill, Jackie McLean, David Murray, Jaco Pastorius, Sonny Rollins, Woody Shaw, McCoy Tyner, Reggie Workman, et al.  Ronnie teaches at Penn State and can be reached at rodrummusic@gmail.com.

 

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Robert L. Campbell at campber@clemson.edu wrote:

 

... The owner, David Meyers, recently found an old signboard in the attic or the basement, advertising Sunny's gig at the Grand Terrace.

 


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On Sep 26, 2012, at 7:56 PM, Nou Dadoun <nou.dadoun@gmail.com> wrote:



Don't know if this was noted before but I found a reference to related info here: 
http://1001chicago.com/after-sunset/ 


Nou,


Thank you for the link.  I hadn't seen this before, but David Bramble told me that the store gets occasionally visits from people who know that the Sunset Café was once located there.

Also, he told me that a European website referred a few years ago to the remnants of the mural.

One error in the article: the date at which the mural was painted still needs to be established, but there's no way that this kind of Afro-futurism was up behind the stage when Earl Hines played there, let alone in the Sunset Café days.

It actually looks as though it was painted for the Sun Ra engagement.  I kind of wonder what King Kolax, Elmore James, and Tom Archia (who played in the Terrace's last shows, in 1956 and 1957) thought about it.

Robert Campbell

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