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Tue, 2011-02-15 07:12
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god is more than love can ever be - overdubs?
i was listening to 'god is more than love can ever be' - an amazing
album, worth a re-listen, in case you have not played it in a while -
and noted that the comments in 'earthly recordings' say that
overdubbing was used? i tried to figure out where, because the tracks
all sound very much live. the only places i though there may be
overdubs was at the ends of a couple of the tracks, where it sounds
like some reverb may have been added? or a small section tacked on
the end to somehow end the piece? am i missing something?
I-) ihor
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god is more than love can ever be - overdubs?
I always thought this was a trio record,
right?
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ever be - overdubs?
i was listening to 'god is more than love can ever
be' - an amazing
album, worth a re-listen, in case you have not played it in a while -
and noted that the comments in 'earthly recordings' say that
overdubbing was used? i tried to figure out where, because the tracks
all sound very much live. the only places i though there may be
overdubs was at the ends of a couple of the tracks, where it sounds
like some reverb may have been added? or a small section tacked on
the end to somehow end the piece? am i missing something?
I-) ihor
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god is more than love can ever be - overdubs?
> I always thought this was a trio record, right?
yes - the classic combo of piano, bass, and drums.
I-) ihor
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god is more than love can ever be - overdubs?
god is more than love can ever be - overdubs?
> yes, there are overdubs - but only on the opening track, "Days of
> Happiness". Basically they whole album is recorded the same, that is : live
> - with Sunny's piano, which is heavily compressed and in mono, dead center
> in the stereo spectrum of the mix, as is the bass; the drums are spread
> around the spectrum from left to right just as if you were sitting in front
> of them.
that is simly unbelievable! what a strange mix! you are correct, of
course - that is exactly how it sounds. but why such a mix?
>
> On "Days of Happiness" though, there is a 2nd overdubbed piano throughout
> the entire piece. It's only the upper end of the keyboard. It's also in
> mono, but it is panned hard into the left channel, and is around 3-4db lower
> than the main piano. There's a fair amount of plate reverb on it, which has
> been eq'd so that one of the upper piano notes rings out a bit with it when
> it hits; in fact, the reverb crossfades over into the right channel after
> the note is hit; this happens close to the end.
yes, yes - there it is. at first i thought i was hearing some leakage
of the piano into the hard left, but that IS the overdub. wow!
> Perhaps the engineer was
> riding the reverb a bit, as is what happens during the last few measures of
> "Blythe Spirit Dance". There's reverb on the piano throughout the album, but
> as you note it's higher at certain places. The level of the piano, along
> with the ratio of compression, is higher even still on the final, title
> track.
that is such a strange mix, especially considering it is a trio. if
you think of the classic trio mixes, like on most blue note albums,
this mix is way out there. the playing on here is extremely powerful
- so i wonder if it would be as impacting if the album was mixed
differently?
> Hope this helps. You might try listening with headphones, as that will
> clarify the overdubs easily. It's a pretty cool effect.
yes, it is a cool effect - that may very well be why that album sounds
so intense.
thanks, br cleve, for such a picturesque description! after reading
it, i played the album, and there it all was, just like you described
it - like a walking tour of the album. putting on the headphones
definitely brings out the mix, especially the drums, and the piano and
bass in the center, and the overdub.
okay, so am i the only one who thinks that on 'days of happiness', sun
ra is jamming on donovan's 'first there is a mountain'? it sounds
like it to me...
I-) ihor
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>okay, so am i the only one who thinks that on 'days of happiness', sun
ra is jamming on donovan's 'first there is a mountain'? it sounds
like it to me...
I hadn't thought of that before you mentioned, but what I HAVE heard throughout 'days of happiness' is 'gone with the wind.'
"gone with the wind... just like a leaf that's blown away, gone with the wind... my romance has flown away..."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN7jDb9IQiI
I'll try to turn that into Donovan next time I listen.
-john
god is more than love can ever be - overdubs?
>okay, so am i the only one who thinks that on 'days of happiness', sun
ra is jamming on donovan's 'first there is a mountain'? it sounds
like it to me...
I hadn't thought of that before you mentioned, but what I HAVE heard throughout 'days of happiness' is 'gone with the wind.'
"gone with the wind... just like a leaf that's blown away, gone with the wind... my romance has flown away..."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN7jDb9IQiI
I'll try to turn that into Donovan next time I listen.
-john
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god is more than love can ever be - overdubs?
> I hadn't thought of that before you mentioned, but
> what I HAVE heard throughout 'days of happiness'
> is 'gone with the wind.' "gone with the wind... just
> like a leaf that's blown away, gone with the
> wind... my romance has flown away..."
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN7jDb9IQiI
thanks for the link, john - i will give that a listen tonight and do a
compare. i guess i am not as familiar with that as with the donovan,
so i went with donovan.
> ihor, you cracked me up with that Donovan reference. I went back and
> listened and I admit i cold sing that song over the progression at points.
> "Oh Juanita, I call your name" :-) I don't think I would have thought of
> that, and now I'm gonna hear it every time. Ha!
:-) i forgot about that line, br cleve - now it is permanently
imprinted in my brain! :-)
thanks for the writeups about the mixes - i think i have some
listening scheduled for the weekend.
I-) ihor
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> thanks for the writeups about the mixes - i think i have some
> listening scheduled for the weekend.
i did listen to 'gone with the wind' (the clips from youtube and sun
ra's version on 'over the rainbow' (i that twas the album?) and i have
to admit that i do not hear as much similarity with that song and with
'days of happiness'. i seem to find more similarity with 'first there
is a mountain' (...first there is a mountain, then there is no
mountain, then there is... ...caterpillar sheds its skin to find a
butterfly within...). to me, it is the rhythm of the piano playing
that seems to remind me of the donovan song. and some of the notes
seem to jump around that donovan melody. and no, i did not start
singing the 'oh, juanita...' line, endlessly. :-) i guess it is just
my personal listening experience that makes me hear that?
based on the write up by br cleve of the 1979 sessions, i did manage
to fit omniverse into the listening last night - there definitely is
something to be said for those albums. like br cleve said, gimtlceb
and omniverse do make a good pairing!
I-) ihor
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