Some further thoughts on the recording "date" for Continuation

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Some further thoughts on the recording "date" for Continuation





Hi Everyone,



So, I had a chance to really sit down and lis size="-1">ten to Continuation this morning. Whil size="-1">e I still stand by my original
assertion that Intergalactic Research *was* recorded
sometime in the late 60s (I'll expound further), I size="-1"> also suspect that the rest of
the album was *not* recorded in one session either size="-1">, based on the sonic
clues provided. I'd love to see some thoughts on
this.



Biosphere Blues: Th size="-1">e "honking" horns size="-1"> on this one make me size="-1">think that it was recorded
in the same room of
the Choreographer's Workshop size="-1"> where
size="-1">at least certain parts
of When Angels
Speak of Love were recorded size="-1">, the
title composition in
particular
. That
having been said, though,
I
remember there was some debate
regarding whether parts of th size="-1">at album
(including WASOL)
were
indeed recorded in the size="-1">Choreographer's
Workshop or whether they
were recorded for ESP (in
RLA, I'd size="-1"> imagine) as
part of the sessions for
the second volume of
Heliocentric Worlds (the
tracks were eventually
part of a pre-release
version of Heliocentric
Volume 3,
as I recall)
.

The presence of "space echo"
at the beginning of the track size="-1"> makes me think
that, if
this was recorded at the
Choreographer's Workshop
(which seems size="-1">highly likely, size="-1"> as I size="-1">recall the
"
space
echo" being ex size="-1">clusive to
those recordings)
,
then it is most likely
that the original thought
of WASOL being recorded
there is probably correct.



Intergalactic
Research: Is t size="-1">hat Art
Jenkins vocalizing size="-1">, or is it
Danny Thompson on
the "Neptunian
Libflecto"?
Anyway, given the
distortion on size="-1">some
of the dru size="-1">ms size="-1">,
the ambi size="-1">ence

of the
recording size="-1"> a size="-1">nd
the presence
of the Gibson
size="-1">Kalamazoo
and Clavinet size="-1">
(which size="-1">, in
m size="-1">y
opin size="-1">ion,
definitively
rule out the
possibility of
a 1963 date
for this
recording),

size="-1">this
sounds like a
size="-1">Sun
Studios
recording size="-1">,
possibly from
the same
session(s)
that generated
the first half
of the
Atlantis album size="-1"> size="-1">(if
there was, in
fact, a
considerable size="-1">gap
between the size="-1">
recording of
the title
composition
and the
smaller pieces size="-1">...I
really think
otherwise at
this point,
but that's
another
matter).



size="-1">Earth
Primitive
Earth: This
one is also
interesting,
due to the
recording
quality size="-1"> as
well as what
seems to be a
selectively
applied
reverberation size="-1"> --
size="-1">one
of the flutes
(the one which
mainly plays
in its lower
regist size="-1">er,
most notably
beginning at
1:08) seems to
ha size="-1">ve
much less
reverberation
than size="-1">most
of the o size="-1">ther
instruments.
The leng size="-1">th
and size="-1">,
well, quality
of the
reverberation
also sounds
much different
than a typical
Choreographer's
Work size="-1">shop
recording. size="-1">Could
this have been
done in a size="-1">"proper"
studio size="-1"> size="-1">?



size="-1">New
Planet: I
haven't heard
size="-1">Out
There A Minute
in a while,
but this (as
well as Earth
Primitive
Earth) sounds
noticeably
worse than
what I recall
from there,
making me
wonder if
perhaps this
presentation
of the album
isn't a vinyl
dub (not to
mention the
occasional
"pops"
present). No
matter, I'm
glad to have
the album size="-1">regardless
(especially
with t size="-1">he
disc of
additional
material), but
that having
been
said...This is
definitely a
Choreographer's
Wor size="-1">k size="-1">shop
recording size="-1">. It
sounds like
the same 'slus size="-1">hy'
room where Bad
&
Beautiful was
recorded.



Continuation
To/Jupiter Festival: I'm goi size="-1">ng t size="-1">o go ahead
with the Chor size="-1">eographer's
Workshop on th size="-1">is size="-1">one,
although the
thinnes size="-1">s of
the upper end of
the piano sets
this recording
apart from the
other two size="-1">pieces
which size="-1">, in
my estimation,
definitely
came from the
Choreographer's
Workshop size="-1">, so
a size="-1">different
date (possibly
the March date
given in the
liner notes?)
is size="-1">likely
for this one.



size="-1">Anyway,
this is a very
neat reissue,
and I' size="-1">d
love to see
some further
thoughts on it
(as well as
potential
recording
dates size="-1">)
from other
list mem size="-1">bers.



size="-1">Kevin
Loy



 

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Tue, 2013-08-06 13:30
F Maas 4
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Continuation






Dear Kevin and all Saturnians,

 

Got the album a week ago (fast delivery to Europe
by Corbettvs. Dempsey!). Love it very much!

 

Since I'm a lover of teh music, not an expert, I
can't shed more light on the dates; but I keep notes and thank you
for

your remarks and suggestions, Kevin!

 

Thx from The Netherlands!

Frank Maas

 

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Subject: [ Saturn ] Some further thoughts
on the recording "date" forContinuation


Hi Everyone,

size=-1>So, I had a chance to really sit down and listen to
Continuation this morning. While I still stand by my size=-1> original assertion that Intergalactic Research *was* recorded
sometime in the late 60s (I'll expound further), I also suspect
that the rest of the album was *not* recorded in one session
either, based on the sonic clues provided. I'd
love to see some thoughts on this.

size=-1>Biosphere Blues: The "honking" horns on
this one make me think that it was recorded in the same
room of the Choreographer's Workshop where
at least certain parts of When Angels Speak of
Love were recorded, the title composition in
particular
. That having been said, though,
I remember there was
some debate regarding whether parts of that album (including
WASOL)
were indeed recorded in the Choreographer's
Workshop or whether they were recorded for ESP (in RLA, I'd size=-1> imagine) as part of the sessions for the second volume of
Heliocentric Worlds (the tracks were eventually part of a pre-release version
of Heliocentric Volume 3, as I
recall)
.
The presence of "space echo" at the
beginning of the track makes me think that, if
this was recorded at the Choreographer's Workshop (which seems size=-1>highly likely, as I recall the size=-1>"
space echo" being exclusive
to those recordings)
, then it is most likely that the original thought
of WASOL being recorded there is probably correct.

size=-1>Intergalactic Research: Is that Art Jenkins
vocalizing, or is it Danny Thompson on the size=-1>"Neptunian Libflecto"? Anyway, given the distortion on size=-1>some of the drums, the ambi size=-1>ence of the recording and
the presence of the Gibson Kalamazoo and Clavinet
(which, in my opinion, definitively
rule out the possibility of a 1963 date for this
recording),
size=-1>this sounds like a Sun Studios recording,
possibly from the same session(s) that generated the first half of the
Atlantis album (if there was, in fact, a
considerable gap between the recording of the
title composition and the smaller pieces...I really think
otherwise at this point, but that's another matter).

size=-1>Earth Primitive Earth: This one is also interesting, due to the
recording quality as well as what seems to be a selectively
applied reverberation -- one of the flutes (the
one which mainly plays in its lower register, most notably
beginning at 1:08) seems to have much less reverberation
than most of the other instruments. The leng size=-1>th and, well, quality of the reverberation also sounds
much different than a typical Choreographer's Workshop
recording. Could this have been done in a "proper"
studio?

New Planet: I
haven't heard Out There A Minute in a while, but this (as well
as Earth Primitive Earth) sounds noticeably worse than what I recall from
there, making me wonder if perhaps this presentation of the album isn't a
vinyl dub (not to mention the occasional "pops" present). No matter, I'm glad
to have the album regardless (especially with the
disc of additional material), but that having been said...This is definitely a
Choreographer's Workshop recording.
It sounds like the same 'slushy' room where Bad & Beautiful
was
recorded.


size=-1>Continuation To/Jupiter Festival: I'm going t size=-1>o go ahead with the Choreographer's Workshop on th size=-1>is one, although the thinness of the upper
end of the piano sets this recording apart from the other two size=-1>pieces which, in my estimation, definitely came from the
Choreographer's Workshop, so a different date
(possibly the March date given in the liner notes?) is likely
for this one.

Anyway, this is a very neat reissue, and
I'd love to see some further thoughts on it (as well as
potential recording dates) from other list mem size=-1>bers.

Kevin
Loy